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chakra

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realizing i'm still alive interesting

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interesting data here

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now let's compare that with

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the multiple program

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and you can really see

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characteristics in the language

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i'm very different person much more

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whole than before tmi helped me heal

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when i was very bruised i will always be

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grateful

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having confidence myself to dance with

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one part of our purpose here on earth or

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one way to look at it is to enable god

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to experience the physical in my case

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realize that i failed to follow my

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guidance if i was afraid of possible

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consequences

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learning to love and trust myself

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letting go of shame

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now language here betrays a degree of

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integration

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of an understanding of how their life

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has changed and how they are living in

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accordance with that change

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that's one of the things that i'm taking

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away from this to explain why they feel

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more life satisfaction and greater

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self-efficacy

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all right now obviously there are some

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things here that i still don't

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understand

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and one of the things that i'm

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proposing is that there are still

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questions around other variables

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contributing to this finding so there's

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a phase to this study yet to be done but

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there's also

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a need to get other people's perspective

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on these people

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so i'm proposing to use a multi-rater

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instrument in a follow-up study with 34

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of these individuals

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now

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the final comment i take this from

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richard tarnis's work on the passion of

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the western mine

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and i certainly saw that happening with

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both groups of people

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is the way in which we

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focus on the world our intentions we

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bring to the world the world opens up

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and begins to ratify that experience for

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us

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so with that

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i kind of conclude my presentation open

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it up to any kind of questions because

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um

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i'm i

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tend to be slightly suspicious of

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self-reportage in psychological studies

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i i don't mean to be too cynical but

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isn't it possible that

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some of this effect is simply due to

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self-suggestion and self-selection

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in other words people that go through

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multiple programs

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one one example would be that they would

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be uh

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tend to be motivated to

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to uh

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feel uh that they had to change in

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response to spending all that money uh

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that wasn't that it wasn't a uh a waste

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and uh and to justify it to it even on

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the questionnaire but of course i assume

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these people were anonymous so so there

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was no ego

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issue there so anyway i think that there

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could be other from other factors that

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uh those results sure and and i don't

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disagree i really what's coming across

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here is an attitude i don't really know

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if they're happier

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right but you certainly get from their

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responses a clear indication

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particularly when you do

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the analysis that there's statistically

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a a difference

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now what explains that

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that's something i would like to get

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into a deeper understanding of okay so i

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agree it could be other factors here

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yeah um

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my question was similar to his in terms

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of a self-selection effect i guess the

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other question is is that do you have

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any pre-data so do we we don't know how

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much gain may have occurred no we don't

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have a baseline and this is one of the

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things i've told the folks at tmi you

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need to start collecting data on people

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as they're coming in so you know

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something about you know what you're

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trying to evaluate in terms of long-term

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effect and they haven't begun to do that

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i know in the beginning that monroe

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institute

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had all these frequencies to help people

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get out of their bodies did you even ask

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people about were they getting out of

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their bodies more has the whole focus of

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the institute changed no

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what you didn't see up there was what i

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call the mystical experience

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and a number of and what's really

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interesting here is you would think that

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that would be the probably the number

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one area of

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memorable experience and actually it

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isn't

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uh and in fact among this group i don't

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think that there's more than a handful

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of people who even spoke of out-of-body

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experience but they spoke of a wide

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range of what i call meta-normal

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functioning the experiences themselves

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under different uh

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influences

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experiencing themselves transported in

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time speaking with their their their

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relatives outside of time soul retrieval

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a number of various uh activities that

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are very much at the heart of what

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monroe does

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by and large the large majority was

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around personal learning and development

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and what i'm calling belonging

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their relationship to others

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was more memorable than some of those

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experiences

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i found that interesting

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um i had a question about uh the uh two

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populations did you control for the

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amount of meditation in the two

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populations and that was one of the

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questions i didn't ask

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is like what other work are you doing

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all right and that's one of the things

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i'm going to go into in greater detail

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i just like to comment and ask a

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question my sense is that the particular

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technique the induction

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that you're studying could be

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is interchangeable with you could make

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quite a list of other

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programs of self-development and

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personal change

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and you would find

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in in all these cases a moment of

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initiation or kicking open the door or

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some kind of blast off experience

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and then you would find long periods of

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sustained development which are making

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exactly the kind of mature

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integrated human beings uh to come forth

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and and so

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what i really appreciate is is the the

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joining of this technology with

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tr spiritual traditions and many others

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um and i i the more data we have of of

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each and every one of these the better

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and i really appreciate it thank you and

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and let me just simply add there was

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another reason for why uh

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skip batwater wanted us to do this study

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was also to look at

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why not more people were coming back

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there would seem to be about a 36-month

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period of time from the initial

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uh finding out about monroe until the

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interest began the wing

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and that was one of the things we were

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looking at as well